Podcast and Chill with MacG

00:01 To advertise, email, podcast at thisismaggie.com. Release yourself from order and logic and enter a new place. It's not work. It's not home. Here, no maps have been drawn. No books have been written. Nothing is certain. Everything is possible. Welcome to Podcast and Chill with Maggi. 00:29 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 00:56 Yo, Mahal, actually, that would be dope. We need to get a PS in here. 01:01 And we can have a conversation. No one else is doing it. Who's doing a podcast playing PS and talking at the same time, dawg? 01:08 You know? Who's doing that? Even if you do, like, taking, like, one round, whoever loses this round something. You know what I mean? It's quick, fast, dawg. One round is, like, 30 seconds, dawg. It's not even a minute. 01:18 PS would kick ass. 01:20 But they're not seeing it. 01:21 No, you don't show the game. They're just watching us. They don't show the game. You just see us doing it and then they're like, fuck, I lost it then. I got to do whatever. That's a great idea. 01:27 Yeah, but you guys need to get a better TV. Yeah, this is exactly wild. Why are you calling us out like that? 01:33 What the fuck is this, baby? You calling us out, dog? 01:38 Nah, this one is probably some color settings either on the Mac or the TV itself. But this can be fixed. 01:44 I don't know about no TV that needs color settings, bro. Nah, nah, nah. 01:50 When you move... That's what I'm saying. 01:53 It's probably the laptop. That's it. 01:56 It's probably the laptop. Nigga, it's not a projector. 02:00 Nah, nigga. It's probably the laptop. You know what TV means, nigga. Yeah, but it's HDMI. It's HDMI. It's HDMI, though. Right? And the other day, dog... Dog, you know I got screens, dog. So I'm not just saying this shit. The other day, I had to. I literally saw... I was like, nah, man. What's going on here? And I had to go into my laptop. No, no, no. I'm talking about when I connected it to... Did it do that? Yes. The color was off. And I'm like, nah. Then I went... There's a place in your Mac in the settings where you can go and... 02:29 change it from RGB to blah blah blah there's so many there's so many of them and it changes the color settings depending on what you're doing so if you're editing like if you're editing a video you need to change it to a certain something so it gives you like the true of what it is when you're watching a movie you change it so it can give you that punch or whatever are you like a nerd? Yeah, I've been saying this, though. 02:50 I think you're a nerd, for real. 02:51 I've been saying this, though. You're a cool nerd. 02:53 Yes. What's a nerd? A nerd is a person who geeks out on something, who knows a lot about one specific topic. 03:00 Yeah, I know a lot of shit about a lot of shit. I think he's just a Gemini. 03:04 I'm a Gemini. I'm not lying. 03:05 Nah, you see, Keenan, right? Keenan wasn't a Gemini, but Keenan was one of the most knowledgeable guys. And he loved that shit. He loved general knowledge. Like, general knowledge. 03:15 That nigga knew every flag. But that nigga was a nosy nigga. Yes, but it comes from there. Why would you say it's nosy? Love information, dog. Like, I know a lot of shit about a lot of shit, but I'm not a nosy person. 03:28 What's the difference, yo? You got to break it down, bro. 03:30 Like a nosy person, like when you say something, they pry. 03:36 Like for me, you can say anything. I will not ask you anything about anything. I take you at face value. And the next time you lie about the same thing, I remind you. 03:46 Oh, so you don't forget. Hey, nigga, stop the cat. 03:50 You don't take your nose, bro. You don't take your nose. 03:55 He's like, yeah, I'll see you next time. We'll see you next time, dog. 04:00 You know what I mean? How we rolling? We good, no? We always rolling, nigga. We always rolling. Somebody to wipe here. 04:06 Oh, wow, nigga. Damn, it's like that now, V. Now you got that teacup, you got that little, you know? I mean, this is- Yeah, but you need the headphones. Oh, you know what I got? 04:20 I got a really dope sound. 04:23 The mask. Smoke. Smoke. Smoke. You gave me that idea. 04:27 Oh, bring like one of your headphones and attach it there. We can just easily, just in one ear. But yeah, you're going to have to hear it. 04:34 Otherwise, my dog, what's going on? I'm good, man. What's the word? 04:37 You said you came back from China, no? This weekend. 04:40 You said fuck that dad in July, no? 04:43 Hey, man, I heard this in my Bahambe, so I said... Where are you from? 04:50 I know you're from Joburg, but I mean like your origin, like your dad. Where's your dad from? My dad's from Mozambique. Were you born in Mozambique? 04:58 I was born in Joburg. Yeah, you were born in Joburg. I'm a Joburg guy. 05:01 Yeah, exactly. That's how I know you. So then... 05:05 So then it's not an issue. 05:07 Nothing is never an issue. Nothing's an issue for me. 05:09 Yeah. Wait, what does that mean? Except the weather. What does that mean? You're just a Kuna Matata type of guy? 05:17 I guess you could say that. I like Lion King. You know? Mufasa. Straight up. I like all that shit. I like that. 05:24 Rafiki. 05:25 No, but that's not my impression of you, bro. What's your impression? A very confrontational... Is it? I will stand my ground. I will tell you your shit. Oh, is it? Yeah, that's just... Why would you get that from me? Just the interactions I've had with you so far. 05:37 Was I confrontational towards you? No, not towards me. I was just seeing you telling somebody off something. No, maybe it's how I sound. Are you passionate? Because this nigga's passionate. When he's passionate, he comes across as angry. Maybe it's like how I sound could come across as confrontational. Maybe it's also my size. I'm a big black guy. 05:54 And also, remember, we're in South Africa. So being a big black guy is not exactly... 06:00 It sounds like a category, big black guy. Big black guy is not easy for a lot of little... 06:07 Black guy is too. 06:08 Climatized too. So maybe that's the thing. But generally, you know, I think I'm a nice guy. 06:14 So you're not confrontational at all? 06:16 I think, yeah, I mean... I think BU's asking the wrong question. I think you're... What am I? I think I'm like water. He's never going to say... Do it better, do it better. Yeah, I'm confrontational. 06:24 Do it better, do it better if you know where it's supposed to land. 06:26 It doesn't have to be a question. We can already see the way he's replying to you. We can already see he's confrontational. He doesn't have an issue... Replying. You know what I mean? We can see. I reply. If you ask me a question, I'll answer. Exactly. And if you act, you'll act. 06:43 You match energy. You get what I'm saying? I'm like water. I'm like water. Oh, that's that Bruce Lee shit. 06:48 Yeah, yeah. 06:48 No, that's also the name of his label. Oh, shut up. Don't be violent with water because you could drown. 06:57 That's a flood. Anything can happen with water. Sometimes water can whip you across the face. It's water. Nah, you can die from water, nigga. In many ways. Even just hitting the water, you can die, nigga. 07:08 Sometimes if you drink too much water... You get water poisoning, nigga. Exactly. For real? I heard somebody tell me the other day that he drank a lot of water. 07:16 And in his sleep, he'd squirt out water. 07:22 I was like, bro, that's not... Yeah, that doesn't sound... That's not sleep apnea anymore. Each time when I come here, you're somewhere else. Yeah, you need to go to hospital. 07:39 You need therapy. 07:40 You need to get checked. 07:41 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm water, bro. Why water, bro? It looks like an acronym. W dot A dot. 07:48 When is achieved true excellence religiously? 07:51 Winners achieve true excellence religiously. Oh, that's crazy. 07:55 Yeah. That's crazy. 07:57 How come I don't know that? 07:59 Because, I mean, maybe you just didn't ask. Yeah, I just asked, bro. You ask me a question, I answer. You answer like... But don't you... Let me play devil's advocate. Don't you think that... 08:13 that could also hold you back sometimes, right? I feel like, especially when building a brand, it's dope when you tell people before they ask. Because sometimes people don't always ask the right questions. And I've known you for so long and I've seen this brand and we spoke about it when you arrived. But I never asked you. I was just like, no, Stilo's being Stilo with it. He's being jiggy with it. You know what I mean? I know you as jiggy, right? 08:37 So I'm like, ah, he's being jiggy with it. I didn't ever ask you like, yo, does it actually mean anything? I think you know what it is. 08:45 Water's an art brand, right? Before it's a streetwear brand, it's an art brand. So the focus is not panting. The focus is not seeding. The focus is not you wearing it. If you don't believe it, you won't wear it. You know what I'm saying? 08:58 It's a lifestyle. 08:59 It's not a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something you go to the club for. 09:03 No, he said it's an art brand. 09:04 It's an art brand. So it's like one of those things where if you're into it, you're really into it. If you're not into it, you're not. It's like water. There's people that I know that don't drink water. What? They just prefer to drink soda or whatever. What he means is they hate drinking. At some point, they're going to drink it. They're going to drink it. There's some people that really don't like drinking water. And that's the thing with water, right? Even with my brand. At some point, you're going to know about it. You know what I mean? At some point, you're going to be like, hey, that's kind of cool. But it's not forced upon you. Ah. Do you know what I'm saying? It's just something that's always going to exist. It's not a trend. 09:35 It's not a moment. It's done incredible things that maybe you've seen but didn't know it was a part of. 09:42 That's kind of how I've always ran it. People don't know that water style like big award shows like as the main clothing brand to do all the costumes do all these incredible things like I mean when I met you that's what you were that's what you were into you were you were doing you were doing that you know I think even did you start one of the videos that I was on Soto Mafia I think that's how we met that's how we met right that's how we met on the bus nah we met before that we met before that 10:07 What happened at the bus? 10:08 I want to hear this. I like the bus story. We always have a story. He has a story that I got beat up that I don't believe. He told me that story. 10:18 I didn't tell you the story. I said, I have a story about Stilo. You told me with the bouncer. And I didn't tell you the story. 10:24 I just said, there's a bouncer. He tells me the story. I'm like, the story does not make sense. 10:28 And when he tells me the story, it never makes sense. I want story for story. Let's hear this. What's the bus story? 10:35 I think I was styling a video for Soutu Mafia. 10:40 I think Hash1 specifically. Signed to Soutu Mafia. 10:43 Yeah, yeah. So the group was Hash1. How I knew the thing is that we're doing something for Soutu Mafia. Okay. So Hash1 song, right? Yeah. Featuring myself. Featuring T-Vocals. And I was like, yo, okay, cool. Let's do this thing. And there was a scene where he had to sit in a corner of a bus. I didn't understand that scene. Because, you know, the drama in like R&B back then was a bit more dramatic. So they thought it would look dramatic if you look, if you sat in the corner and looked up, oh, you can think about that scene. 11:16 Why the fuck are you in the corner? If you look inside or something. 11:19 I don't remember that scene specifically. 11:25 But I'm sure it happened. Like, I'm sure it happened because, again, you don't remember every scene you've acted in and exactly the way it happened, right? You just know that a director told you, hey, let's try this. 11:35 And you tried it. You know what I mean? Weren't you, like, heavily in the drug phase during that or not? 11:40 Because, I mean, I think I remember. 11:41 I remember you on drugs, bro. They keep talking about you being on drugs like you were a junkie. 11:46 No, I was. You was a druggy, bro. How long? When? I was, I was. A junkie junkie. I just, I was very... What is a junkie to you? 11:53 A junkie to me is like... You know when they say like a... Functioning. A functioning alcoholic? Yeah, that's not a junkie. 11:59 Right? That's not a junkie. So I wasn't a junkie. I wasn't dirty with it. I wasn't like not caring about things in life. 12:05 Like were you doing your friends dirty? Were you stealing? No. And you weren't a junkie. You were just a drug addict. 12:11 Because I stayed in the studio. That was my savior. 12:15 I stayed in the studio. So you get high and then grind? Grind. Four days straight. Oh, that's beautiful, bro. 12:24 Yeah, that's how Hennessy came up. Nigga, Hennessy, I was... 12:27 Okay, do you want to tell them that that's my song? 12:30 Stilo's so mad at me. I'm not mad at you. 12:32 I'm just an honest person. I mean, y'all gonna tell me about this. I'm not mad at him. You stay like, yo. No, but do you want to tell the truth? Wait. The truth was Stilo. 12:42 That's my boy. 12:43 That's my boy. 12:44 Stilo was supposed to be in that song. 12:45 No, no, no, no, no. That's not the truth. Stilo was supposed to be in that song. That's a lie. 12:48 That's on mission. You drop it. You drop it. What do you mean? 12:51 That's on mission. What are you talking about? Okay. Here's the truth. I'm not going to give you the full, full truth from where it starts, right? But I'm going to get to the, from the Hennessy part, right? Okay. So, Sejo does a song called Hennessy. He does the hook, right? You made the beat too, right? Amazing joint. He calls me, right? And me and him at that time, we're talking about making a lot of music. We've been sharing a lot of ideas. We're locking in, you know what I mean? But we just can never synchronize studio time. 13:17 This is like 2014. 2014, 2015. I got you. 13:22 He calls me, he's like, yo, I got this song Hennessy, I'm going to send it to you, right? Tell me what you think. 13:28 I get the song, I hear it, I'm like, yo, this is fire. He's like, yo, jump on this joint. And I'm like, yo, but you know I don't drink Hennessy, right? Oh. And he's like, yo, that doesn't matter, right? But because I'm like, I'm one of those people, like, if you rap it or you sing it, be about it or know about it. I'm not going to talk about Hennessy in the club when I'm not, you know? 13:48 Yeah. 13:49 So he's like, yo, here's the joint, but now I'm still waiting for Jem to put a verse. How do you feel about Jem being on the joint? I'm like, that's perfect. Because at the time, right, in the lineup of what hip-hop was in that particular wave, the guys who were next in line to run this thing was myself, Sejo, Jem. Jem. 14:13 Nadia. Nadia. Oh. So he's like, yo. I'm a tree time. 14:18 I don't know. 14:19 Not specifically about that. Just the era of niggas. The artist. 14:22 Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. So he's like, yo, okay, cool. I'll let you know when Jem puts the verse. So I'm also calling Jem like, yo, put the verse, put the verse. 14:32 Yeah. 14:32 Then he calls me a couple days later because he's like that. He calls me a couple days later. He's like, yo, have the joint, right? Oh, he's giving it to you. No, yes, because he's doing other shit. He's already made another song. Yeah. Crazy. 14:47 So he's already made another song. And I'm like, sure, I'll do it. Because also at the time, I was in my, I'm dropping a lot of stuff. Right? Because I'm the type of person, like, I believe you don't hold on to these beautiful ideas. Put them out. So I'm like, yo, send me the joint when Jem puts the verse. Jem doesn't put the verse. He's taking forever to put the verse. He does a post. 15:13 He puts it up on YouTube. It's on YouTube. You can check it out. It's still there. He can't delete it. I know he's been trying to delete it. 15:20 So on the thing, it's him singing Hennessy and it's me. And on the title, it said Sejo featuring Stilo and Gemini. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. But the titles don't matter. The fact is that my name is on the song originally, right? Fast forward a couple of weeks later. How? Him and his boss dropped a joint. 15:42 I'm like, yo. And I'm like, yo. I call him. I'm like, what's that about? He's like, nah. Hey, she know how it is. A deal, whatever, whatever. I'm like, I get it. I'm like, I get it. But I'm like, at the same time, Yes, the numbers numbered, but you killed the potential of the joint. Because of... That could have been a really strong wave for what that song represented at that particular time. You got what I'm saying? 16:13 That was my beef with it. It wasn't like a, oh, it was personal or anything like that. That's why I'm always vocal about it. You never wrote the song with the verse. 16:21 I did write the verse. I think you had something. I deliver. 16:23 If you call me and I say yes, I deliver. So if you say... 16:29 When I see you, I'm Fantasia. 16:32 When I see you. And you know what I respect about that? Because that literally didn't even shake me and Stilo's relationship. Not at all. We had the conversation like, yo, what's that about? And I told him, yeah, this is what it's about. And he's like, ah. And then he would remind me every single time. He would like, remind me. You played yourself. You know that's my song. 16:52 You know that's my song. 16:54 You know what I mean? But then I gotta get the smoke on him getting beat up by bouncers. You said you got this story? 17:00 First time I met... So that wasn't the first time... The first time I met Stilo was the first time I met Keenan. Gandhi Square Capellos. There was something happening there. I don't know who Shoei was. I was booked. Keenan was booked. You were there. Whatever. They shut the shit down. 17:13 I'm not gonna say they kicked us out, but it got shut down. It ended. Like, not shut down, get out. Like, the door's closed. Like, yo, it's time up. You know what I mean? And I'm like... 17:23 Maybe like 50 meters from where Stilo is. I can see Stilo is arguing with this bouncer for no fucking reason. He was just being extra. I'm sure you were off the liquor or whatever. You know what I mean? Just being extra. 17:37 Next thing I see, yo, Taser out. 17:40 My nigga's on the floor. Taser. 17:43 I'm like, oh my. 17:45 I heard the story. 17:46 You told me the story. 17:47 Taser. Yeah, Taser. I've never been Taser in my life. And he always says that. Taser. 17:52 I'm like, dog, you don't remember this shit. 17:56 Wait, but were you like drunk, dog? Taser. This guy was lit. This guy was lit. 18:00 No, no, no. And I'm not going to say he was laid out. No, he fell because it's a taser, right? And then he got right back up. He said taser. Yeah, 100%. Wait, but could it be? Nah, he didn't slap you, dog. He did not slap you. 18:10 Could it be the drugs? 18:10 It wasn't a fight. Are you sure it was me? It was you. And he was shorter than you. And he was shorter than you. You were looking at him like this, dog. 18:16 Well, are you sure, bro, of the story? How legitimate is it? You said you were on the drugs at that time. So maybe you saw your own face. 18:22 Maybe you were hot. Maybe you saw another person. Stilo, that's the first day I met you. And I probably was, but that's the first day I met you. And I remember it. I don't remember ever being tased. And you said this from the day I reminded you. You said, I don't remember that. I'm like, nigga, trust me. 18:40 The only thing I remember, the craziest thing about that particular Capello's is that one of my first ever shows was at that Capello's. And on that bill, it was my band. 18:51 It was my band. Or just bring it a little closer to you. Okay, cool, yeah. It was my band, and because I used to, before I was doing solo stuff, I was in a band called Number One Fuck Shit. 19:01 Yeah. 19:02 Who was in that band with you? It was me, Byrne, and Rude Boyz Paula. So we were doing, like, drum and bass. 19:07 Or, like, a band. Like, you had, like, drums. 19:09 Yeah, like, drums and stuff, you know. That's dope. That's dope. Yeah, because, like, back then, I wasn't really into, like... 19:16 I was hanging out with white boys doing other stuff. You know what I'm saying? So it was just a different thing. Yeah, just lifestyle. On a lifestyle level, I was just always like, you know? So we had a band, number one fuck shit on the bill. The craziest thing was me. It was our band and the Pro Twerkers. 19:34 That time, man. It was that time. Oh, my God. I also booked the pro turkis for one of my parties. 19:41 Isn't that like Faith in them? Yeah, dog. When they started. Shout out Faith. Shout out Faith. Shout out Faith. Shout out. You know what I'm saying? 19:50 I also booked them for one of my parties back then. Oh, shit, dog. 19:53 They're taking me back. Come and just shake ass on stage. 19:56 Yeah, like, yeah. But it wasn't just, they would do like sequels. Yeah, they would do like a routine. They were good, bro. It wasn't just, it was a routine. A routine. People think when they see pro twerkers, they think, ah, these people are just shaking ass. No, they were doing sequence, routine, do the splits. You know, there was that one girl. What's the one girl? What's her name? Vanessa. She was crazy back then. Was there three or four of them? It was four of them. Vanessa was like thick, thick. She was the thickest then. Damn. Yeah, she was wild. 20:22 Yo, listen, before we get too far, there's another episode of All The Smokes. Myself, the most official, Ciro, and my co-host, Pizashi. What up, what up? 20:32 And welcome to the show where the hosts are the goats, where words get spoke. 20:43 foot meets throat and choker's choke. Cause this is all the smoke. I love the fact that y'all know it now. 20:49 You see now he's got his new toy. He's got his new toy. He forgot to use fucking lines, dog. Okay. It threw you off. And today, man, we've got a really special guest. We always have special guests, but I mean, I've known, I've known you for a long time now, dog, you know, BU hit me up on the set last week, literally. And he's like, yo, why don't you call Stilo? And I was sitting right here and I called you. 21:11 And you're like, nigga, you never call me for anything positive. 21:19 For the people that don't know who you are, man, please introduce yourself. 21:24 You know, artists through and through. You know what I mean? Culture architect. You know what I mean? We built a lot. You know, the foundation's getting trampled on, you know, but we do a lot. We do a lot, you know? 21:37 Yeah, they might know you as chalk. Yeah, some people know me as Chuck. If you're over 30, over 40, you know me as Chuck. 21:43 You definitely know me as Chuck. You definitely know me as Chuck. Whatever, chocolate. Yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah, I mean, you can see the skin smooth. All the ladies love that, huh? I mean, I don't know nothing about no ladies, dog. 21:55 I got my hands up. You were telling me you were in love, dog. You were telling me you were in love, dog. I'm always in love, man. I'm a loving brother. Yeah, me and you were the same like that. I'm a loving brother. 22:05 What'd you start sign, bro? 22:06 Huh? 22:06 What'd you start sign? Gemini. Oh, so we all Gemini. Oh, we all Gemini. When's your birthday? 22:10 26th May. Oh, crazy. 22:11 Same as Lauryn Hill, my nigga. 22:12 Oh, crazy. I don't know about that. I know about that. That's a mis-education. 22:19 Who's that, man? 22:20 Could be some misinformation. Trust, trust. I'm Googling it, yeah. Yo, my sister's on the 26th. I'm on the 23rd of May. Oh. So your sister's also Gemini? 22:27 Yeah. 22:28 Damn, that's wild, bro. I've never met your sister in a year. 22:30 Older sister, younger sister? Older sister. Older sister. Yeah. 22:32 Yeah, nah, that's why she's not trying to be a part of none of this bullshit, man. Nah, nah, nah, she's not. She's not. She's not outside. Part of this life. 22:38 Not trying to, you know, I mean, Stilo, man, listen, man, should we just jump straight into it, nigga? Why the fuck not? You know, why the fuck not? Oh, should we do the smoky bowl first? What do you think? Smoky bowl. Smoky bowl. Unravel it. Maybe you have a couple of shots. 22:53 And I said this without any fear of contradiction. 22:56 Please take yours and pass it down. 22:58 We are cruising nice. 23:00 Thank you. 23:01 I'm enjoying this. 23:04 What? Should I just grab one? Don't enjoy it too much, nigga. 23:07 I'm enjoying it too much. Don't enjoy it too much, please. Don't enjoy it too much. 23:13 Each time when I come here... Oh, shit. I am abused. What is the best feature of your body? Can you flex it? For how? That's some gay ass shit. That's for me. Pause, bro. 23:25 Gay shit. 23:26 Do it, do it, do it. That's for me. 23:28 No, can I tell you what he said, though, last week? He said, yeah, my hands and my toes are the best. I was about to say, like, my hands... 23:34 I mean, you know, you know, you know, Eno said it. Take your shoes off, nigga. 23:37 Nah, nigga. 23:38 Nigga, you violent. I'm going to take a shot because we need to get the shot kind of going. But I do feel like my hands and my feet are probably the best features about me. 23:49 Pause. That's a sassy-ass question. 23:50 Yeah, that's sassy as fuck. 23:54 What you got, Stilo? Yo, boo, it says here, have you ever done a kissing scene and woke up and you have true feelings for that person? 24:02 Oh, you got a question for me. Yeah. Have I ever done a kissing scene and woke up and had true feelings? Quick one, do you guys use tongue? It depends on what we agree on. Some of the people, we go all the way there. That's nasty. Some of the people we don't. Yeah, you're right. 24:17 It's nasty to be kissing strangers with your time. I agree. But they're not a stranger at that point. No, I agree. It's nasty. I don't enjoy it. That's at work. I don't enjoy it at all. 24:24 A colleague is a stranger. Don't ever get too familiar with- That is true. Anybody who gets too familiar with colleagues, HR. 24:33 So to answer your question, part yes and part no, right? To be honest. Because you got to believe it. That's the thing about an act. So you woke up and you believed it? No, no, I didn't wake up. The part is the waking up part. I believe it at that time, at that moment. When I lock in, when she agrees, tongue, whatever. But afterwards, when I think of it, I'm like, yo, this person got a man. And she probably did some nasty ish with her man before coming on to set. So what the... You know what I mean? So those are things that I don't enjoy. 24:59 Okay, that makes sense, right? But don't you... 25:04 Because damn, like I'm a lover, right? And sometimes it happens if I'm being a real nigga, right? Sometimes it happens where you might have a conversation with a woman and it's a real conversation. And you actually like, yo, this is a dope fucking person, dog. You know? And then tomorrow you wake up and you remember that conversation and you're like, damn, do I like this bitch? I've never had that type of conversation. Do I like this bitch? You know what I mean? 25:22 You never had that type of conversation? You never had that type of conversation? You wake up in the morning, you're like, I never had that type of... I know what you mean. 25:28 You never had that type of conversation with an actor where you've chilled with her for the whole day? You guys are about to do the scene. You've been practicing, and then in that moment, you're like, on the real shit, like, on a real level. She's a dope person. 25:39 Let me give you some smoke right now, bro. That's one thing I hate the most about actors. Y'all niggas are becoming... Y'all niggas are too real about this. It's like, when we sit on set, when we're talking, a person will tell you about their moms, their pops, their whole life story. You connect to that person, and then you meet in a red carpet. Don't you feel like that helps... 25:53 Nah, nah. No, it's not part of it. But isn't that actually acting? Nah. 26:01 I'm confused. 26:04 This nigga said, he's mad she's acting. 26:08 Let me walk y'all through it. 26:09 For real. 26:10 So as actors, you're not always acting. There's this in-between area. When? There's this in-between area. When, nigga, when is that? 26:21 That nigga said she was acting at work. And I got mad. 26:25 She didn't want to keep acting at the red carpet. The fuck, nigga? It's a red carpet. 26:31 So let me get to what I'm saying, right? So there's this green room. 26:36 When you get on set, there's a green room, right? When you get in a green room, they'll just sit. You're lucky. And some people, let's say you're doing a scene. Maybe we're sitting here together, but our characters never meet. I mean, in terms of the storyline, our characters never meet at all according to the story, but we're sitting here. So we start talking. People are talking about different things. Jiggy Jiggy starts opening up to me. Yo, man, you know, I lost my mom's, you know, I'm getting a tat and all these intimate details that you start telling me and I start sharing with you. We connect and we do this for like a good month. 27:03 Mm-hmm. 27:04 I feel like I know you. We got numbers. We tagging each other on posts. And then jump, fast forward from that, the show is now up. Everyone is seeing the billboards and whatnot. And I'm seeing, I'm tapping into that energy of, yo, man, are you still good? 27:18 Quack. You know what I mean? Quack. 27:21 Shout out to Vinny. 27:23 Quack. 27:24 You got caught up in the act. You got caught up in the act. Hey, maybe, bro. And this is why I say actors have to be crazy. 27:33 Okay, yo, yo, hold on. Hold on. 27:34 I'm going to stop you. I'm going to stop you. 27:35 Hold on. It has to be. You say this every weekend. I'm going to need to ask more how. And y'all niggas are going to vote on it, right? So you're going to state your case. Let's get this done. I stated my case already. You state your case. I'll state my case, right? I think actors, yes, mentally, there's a lot of things happening, right? And I think that they know how to separate because there's a skill to it. When you're on set and you're picking up all these different characters, you do that for the work. But your personal life is your personal life. We hardly see actors hearing stories that they had a fight with somebody, they're in jail, they killed somebody. But with actors, but with actors, but with musicians, but musicians, we're hearing about y'all niggas doing... 28:12 Musicians we hearing about, you know why? Y'all niggas is crazy in real life. 28:18 Real life crazy. What up? Because we're not acting. 28:28 Are you talking about South African actors You know what, let me tell you something I feel like South African actors get into the most shit And here's why we don't hear about it Because no one fucking cares They're not big enough celebrities. They're not big enough celebrities. There's a certain amount of them, right? Compared to artists, right? Compared to artists. There are many big artists that if anything happened today, you would hear about it in the fucking newspaper, right? 28:59 You would hear about it in the newspaper. But... 29:01 Now, there's only a certain amount of actors that are in that category that when something happens, you care. Number one, why? Let me tell you, number one, why? They don't even show their personal lives on a day-to-day basis. They do. They do. Social media, they show their relationships. They don't. They do. Not the ones that you... Like, dog, I'm talking about the big names. Just so you don't know about what's happening in the acting world. I'm talking about the big names. Dog, I'm talking about... Give me one. Give me a big name and I'll back it up. The thing is, I'm horrible with names, but your best friend's mother. 29:32 Hey, yo. 29:33 Connie. Connie. Connie Ferguson. 29:35 Yeah. We know about her love life. We know about our relationships. 29:38 Yes, but I'm saying if something happened to her tomorrow, we, the whole country, we know about it, right? 29:43 Yeah. 29:44 Now, listen, I'm not, I don't want to, yo, this is going to, listen. There's some guys, there's some guys, there's some guys that were acting on Yeezo Yeezo that if something happened today, we wouldn't give a shit. Like who? Now use your imagination Think about the actors on Yeezo Yeezo That you haven't heard about in the last five years And if they got arrested for drunk driving yesterday You wouldn't give a shit So who lives a more crazy life? 30:08 You're changing the goalpost Your question was Who's more crazier? 30:12 That's what the question is Your question was not who lives a crazier life Actors live a crazier life than artists Okay, back your shit up. That's a fact. Back your shit up. There's more actors on drugs. There's more actors who are homeless. There's more actors, yo. 30:24 There's more actors in general. Yeah, there's more actors in general. 30:26 There's more actors in general. Actors are bigger. Like, the arguments are only that we are different. That you don't agree. That I don't agree with is that actors, they are bigger than artists. You know why? 30:35 Yes, those ones. 30:36 Even the ones we don't know. Like in general, actors are generally bigger artists. Actors were the closest thing to presenters at a point. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because our country is very one-track minded. It was actors, and then it was presenters, and then it was radio show hosts. 30:53 Our country is very analog, TV and radio. You were blown up from those two things. 30:57 So it works like one dimension at a time. We can only give one thing a go. So right now, unfortunately, there's so much going on and the internet is like the internet, right? Actors traditionally are not getting the same reception as they used to get. Do you get what I'm saying? That's why they got to do weird shit. 31:14 Okay, back it up. 31:17 Okay, so this has been a common discussion, right? And also a common thing that I've even heard. Like, for example, when I was watching Luanda on Read the Room, she mentioned something interesting as well. Actors tend to say the same thing. I will never date an actor. For example, BU, would you date an actor? 31:37 He said no. He already said I will never date an actor. 31:40 Tepho, would you date an artist? 31:41 Hell He would never date an artist I've been with an artist But not dating them It's up there It was like Who Nick Tell us Who you date Nah nah nah Why you prying You said AKA is nosy You know We're on the show Nah nah nah I'm good You know I'm on the show I'm podcasting I'm good I'm good Would you date an artist Would I date an artist Generally no A lot of artists have low self esteem 32:04 For whatever the reason is, no. 32:05 They're crazy. Okay, cool. So I thought that the... Well, but we have seen artists date like each other. Yes, of course. And most artists don't mind dating each other. It's the actors who always have a problem with dating actors. I hope you can see, man, that B.U. 32:19 has his blinders on. Yeah. 32:21 Because he's nothing subjective. We need to talk about what crazy is. Because if I compare somebody making the headlines for pulling out a knife on their baby mama or getting an Uber driver into a taxi with a gun, and then I say, show me one actor that's done anything close to that. 32:36 What I'm saying is there's actors that have done those things, but we don't care. So we don't know. Going back to the Luanda interview, right? 32:44 She spoke about an actor from a cast member, right? Who pulled out a gun on her because she just asked for him to not play music while she meditated. 32:52 And to Stilo's point, they're just more actors in general, right? So when you have more of a concentrated, like when you have more of a group, there's more fuck shit that's going to happen. As opposed to the smaller group. And the smaller group is going to have like a lens on it. If anything happens, it's going to look like, oh yeah, because it's such a small group. But I'm telling you, actors, there's so many of you that there's so much... 33:15 Y'all gatekeeping the industry as artists. There's more artists. There's so many artists in the back rooms creating music, piano, hip-hop. There's way more musicians than there are actors. No, no, no. There's not way more musicians. Because even the actors are becoming musicians. No, no, no. 33:31 Not musicians. There's a lot more like... Wannabe. No, no, no. I respect people. There's a lot more rappers. A lot more singers. No musicians. Musicians are a dime a dozen. 33:42 Musicians, dog. 33:43 Musicians. Yo, let me tell you, like, it's so easy for people to say, oh, if I had an opportunity, I'd do it too. What's the difference? The difference is I'm me and you're not me. 33:55 And you're not me, dog. 33:56 You know, it's unfortunate. So your career, your career determines. Not my career, me. What is that? I always say, no, me as a person, me as my co-star. And this is where it starts. This is where I'm at. Like, I remember the craziest thing. People used to be like, yo, do you react because you are this person or whatever? I'm like, no. If we had to be just as men... 34:16 unfortunately butt naked and had to be weighed by just who we are as men. You do not stand a chance. As a man. You're saying you got a big dick or something? 34:25 As a man. You see actors. You see actors. You're thinking about my dick. You see butt naked. I thought he was saying. 34:31 Now this is what I'm talking about. If my butt nakedness makes you think of my dick first, then there's something wild. There's something crazy. No, I'm trying to understand where you're looking. No, you should have understood when he said if we had to be weighed by nothing. 34:43 Nothing. 34:43 But ourselves. Just as ourselves. Okay. 34:45 He said that. 34:48 He said if we had to be weighed by nothing but ourselves, nothing. Okay, okay. What do you have? As God made you, dog. As God brought you here naked. 34:56 What do you have to show? What do you have to bring to the table? 35:01 Yes, besides the things you've accumulated, the career you've built. Besides the fame. Besides the whatever, no. 35:08 What do you have? What you stand on? What makes you? You asking me? My soul, my DNA. I'm not asking you. 35:14 But you must remember, your soul is deeper. As the flesh, if you stand in front of humans, what do you bring to the room? 35:24 Not be you, not... Not your brand, not your business. None of that. 35:28 Not water. 35:29 You must remember brand. You must remember the concept of brand is a figment of your relevance. Yeah, I got you. It's not reality. You see what I'm saying? Because it's the stock market. Today, you're up. Tomorrow, you're down. It doesn't really matter. You know? So people saying protecting their brands, it's like, bro, you're protecting yourself for someone else's brand. 35:49 You're not protecting your brand. 100%. And to Stilo's point, in case you missed it, in case you missed it, he said, as artists, we have to walk out that house as we are. That's the difference. 36:07 You see? I don't agree. 36:09 Let me tell you, let me tell you, when you get robbed, when you get robbed, when they pull up on you, he went off, so I keep phone. 36:17 They're robbing you. They're not robbing the artist. But when they realize that you're an artist, then they rob the artist. But who are you as an artist to people in general that might change your fate at that particular moment? 36:31 That might change the fact that you are going to get kidnapped and ask for ransom? Or they'll say, hey, Shinja, I'm sending you something hard. 36:40 Who are you? 36:43 That's a deep question, man. 36:45 Not really that deep. It's simple. 36:49 For me, I ask myself, what are the parallels between Stilo and Michael? 36:53 Stilo is just a cap I wear. 36:58 But I'm always Michael. You're always engaging with me. So if you respect me, you're respecting me. If you disrespect me, you're disrespecting me. 100%. 37:07 If it's about the hat... 37:11 Then maybe grab the hat, throw it on the floor. Then I weigh my pros and my cons. Pick up my hat, put it back on my head and move on. 37:19 That's just... I guess, you know, different people treat it differently. But people hang on too much on this brand and artist thing that they can't sleep at night. 37:31 Bro, like you said something now and it kind of... Taps a little bit into the confrontational part as an artist. You spoke about the being mugged. Now, I'm not saying you got mugged, but I'm saying, like, people perceive you differently to when they know you and when they don't know you. Like, they'll ask some type of way, then they're, oh, it's stealing, you know what I mean? Type of thing. 37:51 I'm curious, I'm curious because I just saw a video recently and I think it talks a little bit into this. And it was like, you were calling somebody out on some shit, you know? And I'm curious, is that- Dog, why are you beating around the bush? What's going on? Shoot, shoot, nigga. 38:07 Shoot, nigga, like what do you mean? 38:09 Was that Michael with Tulokuzan? Calling someone. Who's the someone that you're talking about? 38:13 What are you talking about, dog? 38:14 No, he'll clarify. I'm just setting the premise. He'll talk about it. He'll let us know what happened and what was the case. I'm saying, right? Dog, there was a video. Hold on, hold on, hold on. 38:24 Hold on, my nigga. 38:25 Relax. Wait, hold on, relax. 38:27 So I'm saying, was that Michael? Was that you? And is that how you generally handle situations like that? 38:32 For me, I always believe that a conversation is important. I don't tolerate disrespect on any level from anyone. You know what I'm saying? I'm an orphan, bro. 38:44 I did not know that about you. So what that means is that don't feel sorry for me because I... 38:50 I've done some shit. I'm at a level that a lot of people will never get to, even with their parents. Speak on it. For me, it's like I don't tolerate disrespect on any level from anyone, especially from somebody I used to regard as a friend. If I held your hand when nobody was there for you, that shit's fucked up. I don't play celebrity games because I've been around the greatest... who have lost it and built back up or whatever. Yo, I got game from DJ Monday before I even got into the industry and I was working retail, you know, IP DJ Monday. 39:26 And one of the things he always told me was that if you ever decide to get into this business, one thing, always be true to yourself. Whatever that means to you, be true to yourself and watch out for one, two, three things. And those three things, I've managed to stay away from this entirety of my career. I don't- What were those things? One is drugs, right? Oh, shout out, you've never done that shit. I've never done drugs. Well, I mean, I popped them out. 39:51 But that's some fly shit, right? 39:54 It's considered fly, but it's not fly. 39:56 It's not fly. You know why? Because... It's a designer drug. It's a designer drug, but I always say that at the end of the day, how you are as a person will determine how your relationship with certain things... We all have our vices. Maybe mine is just not drugs. It might be women, yeah. Maybe. How do you know? Maybe it's not women. Maybe it's just looking fly. 40:22 How's that advice? 40:23 It is advice because not a lot of people couldn't do it Especially when you go broke for it When you're willing to go broke for it A lot of people think they fly but they're not When you're willing to go broke for it And a lot of people A lot of people do A lot of people sleep on the floor For real For real Just before you guys move on 40:49 I just need to understand. And can you please give more context on what happened? What led to you and Uspista getting into a confrontation? Doug, don't worry. I got you. 41:02 We didn't forget, Doug. I just wanted this conversation, BU's conversation to go. But like I said, Doug, I've known you for a very long time. Yeah, for sure. And when I was on Mac G's podcast... 41:17 And they were arguing with me. They were trying to get me to say some shit. And I was like, yo, if you know Stilo, this is not surprising. They're like, hey, hey, what do you mean it's not surprising? Have you seen it? I'm like, dog, listen, if you know Stilo, this is not surprising. 41:33 There's so much that we share in common. And I think that's why we've always kept it 100 with each other. You know what I mean? And when I saw that clip, I was, first of all, I was disappointed, number one, because... 41:49 In the situation. 41:50 At the situation. 41:51 Not at anyone specifically. 41:52 I was disappointed at the situation because I know that we all come from way back. So when you told him... Yo, I know you I felt that Yeah I felt that Because we know each other 100% We know each other 100% But just for Anyone that might not know Because I'm also not 100% sure About the details Yeah Do you want to share Why How it even got there? 42:16 It's a very simple thing, man. Me and homie were homies really tight. He did some fuck shit that I didn't agree with before. I forgave him. I gave him a pass. This is way back. Can I ask what he did? It's personal, and it involves personal people to me, right? So he did some shit, and I gave him a pass, and I told him, before he did it, I told him, don't do that. but he still continued and he did it and it was whatever, let it pass. But then fast forward, I'm holding him down, he's in Cape Town, whatever, whatever. 42:47 Then now, in order for this thing to happen, He's now obviously in his new relationship, right? 42:54 Cool. We go out for drinks. Me and him engage the same way we engage all the time. It's like how I engage you. If I say some shit to you, that's a bit like maybe alarming to somebody else, but you know what type of time I'm on. 100%, yeah. And I say some shit back to you, and it's like, hey. But maybe at that particular encounter of socializing, maybe the partner or other people didn't like that. They felt like, yo, this is weird. So when I left, maybe I feel, this is my interpretation, that somebody said to him, bro, why does this dude speak to you the way he does? 43:27 Because, and he couldn't just say, yo, man, this is my homie. Me and him have this kind of relationship. We've engaged like this. And even say, yo, actually, it's none of your business. Leave it. So what he decided to do as to when he was drunk at night or like rolled up on some exotic or whatever he's on, right? Allegedly. 43:51 Decided to send me voice notes and texts talking crazy to me, right? So I just said to him in the text, keep the same, oh, and I was supposed to do the show on Sunday. 44:02 And then he says to me, I think that when we had drinks was the Friday or Thursday. And my joint was number one on his dumb ass show. Right. I was like, weird. Like, if I have a show and you're my homie and your song is doing well on my show, I'm going to call you and say, yo, bro. The shit you dropped, it's going crazy on my shit. Shut out, you know? Yo, let's double up, pull up. You know what I mean? So he hits me up to do the show, but it has nothing to do with, firstly, the joint or anything else. I'm about to drop my album. That's what I'm on. 44:33 Then he says to me, no, the show was canceled, and he's swearing. And I'm like, bro, first and foremost, I didn't ask you to come to your show. 44:42 Secondly, nobody's listened to that shit. 44:47 Right. 44:48 I mean, to be fair, it's the biggest hip hop show on radio. You know what the problem is with hip hop? We're so focused on being the biggest in a pond. 44:57 All the time. 45:00 We can't be grateful to being the biggest ice block in the bucket. 45:03 That's useless, bro. 45:06 I'm not going to say it's useless, but I get your point. It's useless because how many records have broken from that show apart from controversy and saying, this person can't rap, this person can't do that. Show us results that work in the space that you're working in, right? And that's why anything that I say about, dude, I'm not attacking your character. I'm not going to talk about who you are because I know who you are. And me diminishing you is not helping me, bro. Yeah, not at all. I'm going to let you do that. 45:37 You're good at that. You're really good at that. All I have to say is that you saying that, nah, don't come to my show, doesn't hurt my feelings. You disrespecting me and calling me out my name, Hurts my feelings And where my feelings Are concerned You best be able To say that shit To my face That's all I ask Or rather to be Accountable for it Whatever it looks like Whatever accounting means Yeah whatever accounting Means in your language Yeah Be able to account for it And that's all I ask for And at that moment I was never gonna Hit him, because in his mind, he probably thought, oh, you want to hit me? 46:11 Bro, your body language, your hand gestures. Bro, anybody that knows me, I'll tell you for free. I know you. Anybody that knows me, there's a difference between my body language, I'm going to hit you, and me hitting you. Of course. But you build up to it. 46:25 I don't build up. 46:27 I don't build up. Or you just go straight to it. There's no full play. There's nothing to build up. 46:31 Nah, there's building up. 46:32 No, there's no building up. I've seen you take fades, like fair ones. You know what I mean? And that's a build up. Okay, let's go and let's take the fade. 46:41 I've seen that. 46:42 But it was a build up. 46:44 No, but in those phase, there was no buildup. Think about it. Even that phase that I lost, that was like, oh, let's go. Let's go outside. And then I was so drunk, I couldn't even handle my own, right? In that particular phase, the buildup wasn't there because when I arrived to that phase, I jumped on the table to take that squabble. There was no buildup. 47:03 The only buildup was you guys saying, stop. We want a kumbaya and build a circle. I was like, nah. That's what we're going to do first. That's when I felt like this is a scam. And that's why that nigga was on top of me. That's why that nigga was on top of me. But I'll never, I'm not the type of person to say, oh shit, I won. No. I was drunk. You know what I'm saying? But I definitely didn't get hurt. I was at Pop Bottles the next day. 47:28 Okay. 47:29 Slide in the day before. Okay. What you mean when you say he spoke out your name? 47:33 What does that mean? 47:35 Bro, if you swear at me in any way, if you're calling me out my name, if you say fuck in my direction, you're calling me out my name. If you say bitch in my direction, you're calling me out my name. 47:46 Shit. 47:47 If you say anything that has to do with anything that doesn't have to do with me, you're out of line, bro. Out of unity. you know what I mean like keep it cordial keep it respectful if you can't and you wanna stand for something else that's on you too I don't make threats that's the difference between me and a lot of people I don't make threats let me ask have you guys spoken since that altercation no I've been getting like weird ass messages though from him nah nah nah nah from him I got a message a DM from you know that Malcolm X pops yeah Yeah. 48:18 Who's Malcolm X? Saying he wants to sit down with me and him. 48:20 I'm like... Yeah, because he's trying to work it out. Isn't Malcolm X fighting cases right now? 48:25 Yeah, but I was like... For me, I was like... 48:27 Bro, what is that going to do? 48:30 It's going to at least... What? If there is a resolve, it's at least going to get it there. 48:38 The resolve is simple. An apology? The resolve is simple. Be a man. Own up to what you did. And if you feel like I did you wrong, say, yo, bro. Be accountable. Be accountable. And then hit me up. Say, yo, this is what it is. But I don't do the online shit. I do my thing. I do my work. Stay out the way. Mind my business. Stay in my lane. 48:58 I'm not here for a lot of things, but what I'm good at. My God-givens, that's what I'm here for. The rest, they can keep. Can keep the shorties, keep whatever. 49:10 No, because also the shorties I'm interested in are not in the space. They're not in the space. 49:14 That's a flex, man. 49:15 That's a lie, nigga. That's a lie, nigga. 49:18 I know you, Stilo. You heard about it. I know you, nigga. I know you, nigga. Come with it. Come with it. I know you. 49:25 And we've had conversations where I'm like, yo, Stilo, you know you've been with some of the same people, right? He had these conversations, nigga. Look at him. Look at him. 49:34 He knows, nigga. Rumors. He knows. 49:36 They know rumors, nigga. Hold on, hold on. 49:38 I remember us being in the club in the kitchen. I'm like, yo, Stilo, come on, you know. 49:42 We don't know. You don't want to be honest and keep it a ticket. 49:44 Nah, because I would never, I would never, because I would never say someone's name. 49:47 No, but you could have just said, yo, Stilo, One, two, three, about such and such. Nah, nigga, nah. No, no, no. For me, I know about the game that, oh, sometimes if you say that to somebody, it runs in the wrong direction. Nah, but me and you have that relationship where I can be like, yo, Stilo, you know what, nigga? Nah, nigga, nah. You know what I'm talking about. I'm still waiting for you to say, Stilo. 50:07 Nah, you know what I'm talking about. So what happened? 50:09 This is what's going on. This is what happened. I don't care about what happened. 50:15 When you say this, that's when I got to call you out. When you say, yo, I don't even like the girls in the space. I don't. I don't. 50:24 Some of the people you're talking about, they're not in the space. They were, dog. They just happened to end up in the space. 50:30 Y'all niggas cross swords? Is that what you're saying? Come on, you see this acting shit? 50:34 I'm trying to understand, bro. 50:36 You know, y'all niggas having some real bromancy. I'm trying to understand. Break it down for me. 50:40 Break it down for me. I'm a very close affiliate to the Alphabet gang. 50:46 You are this nigga, right? What you mean by that? Nigga, right? You know what I'm saying? You saying I'm in the alphabet game? Ew. What you saying? I'm trying to understand you. Y'all had a beautiful power out. Y'all had a beautiful power out, and I'm watching that. So I'm trying to understand. There's people at home who are sitting y'all and watching y'all talk, and we don't have the details. So I'm saying, are y'all saying y'all got the same shorty? That's what I'm not doing when I say y'all crossing swords. 51:11 Nah, that's not what crossing swords means. 51:13 What do you mean? 51:14 That's not what crossing swords means. What does it mean? I don't know what you heard. I heard that. Crossing swords is what crossing swords is. I don't even do the gesture. Nah, nah, nah. 51:24 That's not what I meant. 51:25 For people that didn't see this clip, man, I don't know if you saw this, man. I saw that clip. You saw it, man. Let's watch it and then I want to get your feedback on it. 51:35 I'm not scared of you, my brother. 51:37 It's just that I have a lot to lose. You have absolutely nothing to lose, right? So that's the difference between chocolate and I. 51:45 Let's just start there. And I must tell you, 51:53 So, I mean, listen, man, I don't want to see this thing go further. I know you don't want to see it go further. I know in his heart, he doesn't want to see it go further. 52:01 Where can it go? 52:10 It shouldn't go anyway. 52:12 It shouldn't. Boxing ring, maybe. Who knows? 52:14 Bro, let me tell you. If you, anybody that knows me, I do not play these games. You know what I'm saying? For me, it's like, I felt some type of way about something you said. I said my piece. 52:29 My piece was said. My piece was said. And anything further, him saying that he's not scared of me, I'm not a scary dude. 52:37 I mean, you're a black nigga. I'm a big black nigga. 52:41 You say that shit. 52:41 I'm a big black nigga. So what you mean? But I'm not a scary dude. 52:45 I'm not a scary dude. They would not put my face on billboards. 52:48 You know what I'm saying? I would not be the only guy to have a Vans deal in Africa that is 50-year generational for Vans. They wouldn't do that. 53:00 You know what I'm saying? I would not do campaigns for Anglo gold if I was a... You know what I'm saying? Bro, the difference between me and a lot of people who have shit to lose... You should put it like that. It's unfortunate. You get what I'm saying? If you have to say it for us to recognize it, then maybe the problem is really with you. 53:28 I'm not really checking for you. And the fact that you're worried about anything else but the facts of what's wrong, then we're having two completely different conversations. My point here is that... You're saying you said your piece. I said my piece. You got it off your chest. 53:43 Yes. 53:43 There's nothing else for you to do. For him to say, oh, Aro Tabi, the violin's not happy. What have you done for the violin lately? And shout out for the song you did. For the Val. With the Val, boys. For the Val. You know, I'm not going to say for the Val. It is for the Val. 53:57 Those are your words? 53:58 No, no, no. This is my word. 53:59 But the collaboration? 54:01 100%. But it's for the Val. You know why it's for the Val? Why is it for the Val? Because it's for me paying homage to one of the first neighborhoods that gave me my first show. 54:10 Okay. Shout out to the Val. I shout out D2 on that joint. You know what I'm saying? I shout out Sasquatch. You know what I mean? For me, it's for the Val. Yeah. So for me, the question is, what have you done for these people you have now summoned to come not be happy for you? 54:30 Let's not play weird games. Go do stuff with a vow. 54:35 Go back to the vow. 54:36 I hear you guys. Can we get another round of the smoky bow? 54:40 Yeah, I got one that I didn't read yet. 54:42 Take one, pass it down, brother. 54:44 What is the biggest elaborate lie that you have ever told a partner? This is to Tejo. 54:49 I got this question before and I said I think it was like two weeks ago I said the most elaborate lie I don't do too much elaborate lies I think they're just very surface level you know like oh yeah no that bitch no shit That girl is not who you think she is. I mean, that's as far as my life goes. I've never, like, done some crazy, weird shit. Just normal nigga shit, man. But how do you know it's not weird? To somebody else, it might be. It is a level of weird, honestly. That is weird. 55:18 Like, it is weird. 55:20 It is weird. It is weird, right? It is crazy. But I know niggas get really weird. 55:25 I mean, yeah. Get weirder. 55:26 Niggas get so weird, dog. So, nah, I've never... 55:30 I'll take a shot because the shot counter is lacking today. 55:32 It is lacking. 55:33 The shot counter is lacking today, bro. And I'm off of last night was crazy. I'm still feeling the tequila from last night. 55:41 Are you tapped into the culture? Are you still going out to the nightlife and doing all these things? I'm still going out to the nightlife. 55:47 What's going on? 55:49 I go out. I go out. 55:50 Are you that type thing that you still... No, no, no. 55:54 Let the question land. Hold on. Let the question land. Because y'all niggas grew up in this shit. Yeah. And you can't keep the same energy throughout your career. You know, I'm not even talking about your career. I'm talking about responsibility. I'm talking about life. I'm talking about I need to be up for A, B, and C. I have this deal. I have this to do. Just last night, I was supposed to meet up with Homeboy, right? Not last night. Last afternoon. 56:17 Okay, cool. Last afternoon, we supposed to meet him with the whole boy to just hang out, whatever. He had some priorities. I understood that. You know what I mean? He did what he needed to do. So that's what I mean. Are you still doing those type of things? Are you still going out like that? 56:32 I mean, the going out obviously is different because the nightlife's changed. There's not that many hip-hop parties like that anymore. Straight up, yeah. And the ones that are there are a little weird. Like which one? You know what I'm saying? Huh? Yeah. I don't know them. I don't know them. 56:46 Like, they're really not jiggy no more. They're not jiggy no more. They're really not jiggy no more. 56:49 Like, for me personally, a hip-hop party is the lifestyle at the party, not the fact that we're screaming that this is, it's not a rally. 56:59 It's hip-hop. It's not a rally for real, man. It's not a rally. Like, can we just walk into the space and see, yo, this is hip-hop. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you go to the club and go to Vato's section, you're like, this section is hip-hop. 57:14 It's trapped. 57:17 It's an energy. It's like, you can see it. Even the girls act accordingly. 57:24 You can see that, no, this girl was at the balcony mix the other day, but yeah. 57:30 Yeah, she travels. Yeah, so it's not the same. And I love these different spaces. I love, like, certain parties. They are dope. I do go out, but, like, it's not as frequent, obviously, you know, because of the hip-hop, majorly. Okay, okay, I get it. 57:46 And also, we're older, man. 57:48 Religiously. 57:50 And we're older now. And we're just older. I think back in the day, we also used to spend recklessly. 57:56 And that would allow us to be in those spaces. Now I think twice. 57:59 Like, yeah, I really think twice. Sekou, you need to understand one thing. when you were younger in your 20s, everybody that everybody speaks about as if it's a normal age were your age or older than you. 58:11 They were older, yeah, for sure. 58:12 Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm talking about they were this age now, if not a little older. Shit, that's crazy, man. The only difference is that you've just been here longer. 58:21 Yeah. 58:21 Do you know what I'm saying? Like when people say, ah, dog, you need to stop this. I'm like, bro, I've just been, it's unfortunate that I've been here a long time. 58:28 It's unfortunate. Just by virtue of what I do. 58:30 It's just virtue of what I do, whatever. 58:33 But the people you think are youngins. 58:36 Yeah. 58:39 Especially now. Especially now. Like, they wildin' right now. 58:43 Every time youngins, you guys be calling youngins and you're like, are you an OG? Because y'all niggas were, y'all niggas said that y'all were. We're the same age. Yeah, we're the same age. No, but I'm talking about, are you an OG? 58:55 Me. Oh, me. I'm an OG. You're an OG because there's a song that you have with Nasty C and you're kind of like... I'm an OG. That was the energy. 59:03 We've been here for too long to not be. 59:04 No, no, no. For me, it's not even just being here. It's not even a status thing. I got kids who are doing shit for this game. 59:13 I got kids in this game. I got kids. Shut up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 59:17 Don't get me twisted. No, no, I got a couple kids too. And the thing is, I got a couple kids, but I feel like yours is hella spicy though. 59:24 What? Mine is not spicy. 59:25 When you say you got, do these kids know that they're kids? 59:27 Yeah, 100%. 59:29 Okay. Like somebody was saying to me. Because my kids act like they're not my kids. 59:34 My kids be acting like they ain't my kids. I'm like, duh. They having another moment right now. 59:40 Who are you and your kids, bro? There's a lot of them. They know themselves. 59:43 Name one. 59:44 No, no, no. 59:44 Safe space. This is a safe space, brother. 59:46 All right, let me take a shot. Let me take a shot. 59:55 Hey, the shot count. You're holding it down there, though. 59:57 One man. I got kids in this game, man. And I'm proud of all my kids, man. Shout out. They did amazing things. I got kids. 60:04 Want to give a shout out to one of them at least? 60:07 I'll give a shout out to all of them, man. 60:08 What's her name? YS, shout out to you. Shout out. No, YS for sure. Like, YS 100%. 60:14 Loazi, Sistan Twimble. You know what I'm saying? Kuto. Shit, man. I got a lot of these kids. Where do I even start? You know what I mean? 60:24 But you've been in... You literally been in Josie since the jump. 60:28 It's home, bro. Where am I going to go? 60:29 Yeah, like since the jump. I'm from Mafi gang. He's from Durban. Yeah, yeah. So it's a little bit different. Like I would understand like you having so many... 60:38 Offsprings No, no, no You know why Oh, come on You know why The difference is a lot of I always say People say Oh, people in Joburg are weird Joburg people are weird No, Joburg people are fucking weird Not the people from I feel like the north is weird No, no, no The north of Josie is weird Niggas be getting up to some weird shit Like really weird shit Not the hood shit Not the hood shit But niggas be getting up to weird shit, dog. 61:02 And I say this all the time, dog. I'm like, you Joe, but niggas are up to like, dog, this would never pass in Mafi Gang. I know it would never pass in your hood. I know it would never pass in German. Like what, though? 61:10 Like, what are you talking about? 61:11 There's just a lot of weird, like, okay, let me be very specific. 61:15 Yeah, start on business. 61:17 One example that I always use is like how people go around, like, go about their relationships. as Joburg North niggas. Like, these niggas find it very comfortable to be around their exes and their, like, ex's new partner and just, like, weird shit where we're out from. It's like, dog, like, why are you even... No, but I think it's particular circles. 61:39 I don't think it's, like, a North... But that shit is... That's... Those circles are in the north. 61:43 Those circles are in the north. 61:45 No, but those circles are everywhere. In most affluent areas, in any way. Affluent areas, yes. Let's say affluent areas. Even in Durban, it's a normal thing. A lot of people are so comfortable with interdating people's partners and friends. That's a thing that I know that in affluent spaces, it's like in the hood and less LSM. Yeah, LSM groups, yes. It's very like... 62:11 Are you crazy? 62:14 But in those spaces, it's very common. Like, oh, oh, that's all. 62:20 I'll say one that I heard of. That was kind of really weird for me. This homeboy was talking about, he's grown, right? So him and his boys and whatnot. He's old, bro. He's got kids that are close to my age. 62:35 What? To Utah's age. No, his kids are close to my age. 62:39 Oh, that's a dad, bro. That's pops, nigga. 62:47 Okay, pops, right? So in that space, he has some type of niggas. And he's talking to me about he's adjusting and coming in Joburg. And he finds it weird that niggas are flexing about sleeping with niggas' wives. That's weird. 62:58 Weird That's what I heard And I was like That's a North thing But that's normal To people In those areas In those spaces Even in Like it's a money conversation Right Like you must understand This is what I say Right These are my mantras for life. I know you how I met you, right? Life is like high school. There's different circles. 63:19 And you always say that, Don. You always say, I know you how I met you. And I disagree. 63:23 Life is like high school. 63:24 I see where it comes from, but I disagree. You know me how you met me, but we all change, right? We all develop. 63:31 Yes, but our core is the same. Okay, I got you. Like the soul. Your cheese. Who I am is my cheese. Your cheese is your cheese. Okay, what's the rest of it? So I said, like, I know how I met you. Life is like high school. There's different circles. There's people who just have it and there's people who don't have it. And there's a lot of people who don't have it who are going to make a lot of money. Because they have a lot of time to focus on making the money because they don't have it. Right? Right. There's a lot of people who don't focus on making money because they have it because everything is just coming so naturally for them, right? So, for example, like, shout out to Elias. 64:03 Elias always had it. 64:04 He's a jiggy guy. 64:05 So he doesn't have to focus on the business. Everybody wants to hang out with homie. So when things went south and, like, unfortunately, he had his situation, it was like, oh, damn, I wasn't prepared personally. 64:22 I wasn't prepared. I didn't know how to... 64:23 I didn't know how to act. 64:24 I'm saying like, even for him, he probably was like, I wasn't even prepared. 64:27 Yeah, he for sure wasn't prepared. 64:29 Because I lived a different lifestyle compared to other people. Do you understand what I'm saying? So I think a lot of people don't balance that. Understanding that, oh... You, the reason you on up and yell people's wives is because you a loser your whole life. Ah, okay, I get you. The core of you. 64:46 That's never been a thing for me. Like me, where I'm from, niggas died because of that shit. Yeah, of course. 64:51 Niggas died. Niggas died because of that shit. Yo. I want to say, yo. 64:58 Actually, talking about my beginning, I want to say rest in peace to Kyle's family. Crazy situation. It happened about two months ago where they killed both his parents. He was running an operation from his house. I was just there, like January, you know, where he opened up. At the house? At the house. He had a dispensary at the house. 65:19 Oh, crazy. 65:19 And then one of the niggas that was working there did an inside job. And these niggas came... 65:25 They started robbing the place. I think they got like 14 phones from the people that were in there. And then I think his wife was inside the actual crib. And she called his parents. 65:36 And the parents responded by actually coming to the crib. Biggest mistake. 65:41 You know? Biggest mistake. And they gunned them down. I think a lot of people have been arrested at this point. I don't know if everyone has been. But shit has been happening in Mafeking. Do not nyats at that place. Like... 65:54 I feel like people go there to hide. 65:56 People go to Mafi Gang to hide. Like, you know, to do the shit and then they out. You know what I mean? 66:01 So there has been a lot of gun violence. Just even when I was growing up there, dog. 13 years old, niggas were getting stabbed, robbed, walking to my house. Nigga would come to my house like, dog. 66:12 I just like, you know what I mean? But we were in the hood like that. I always thought Mafi Gang is safe as shit. 66:17 Nah. 66:18 Every time I've been there, it just be looking safe as hell. 66:20 Nah. 66:21 I get you. I was there once and I was like, man, this is a breeze. 66:23 It's a very small town, but, but not, you know, I had to hold, I had to do some shit. You know, December had to handle some shit there as well. 66:33 Like it's not, it's not. Cause you'd be on that gun shit. They strapped like that. But I told you, I had to go put it in the car and I had to go handle my shit. You know what I mean? But have you, have you ever, have you ever let it off? 66:44 That's a good question Because something was happening Yeah like Nah nah nah Have you ever pulled it out On somebody Last resort The most I've done Was have to show it And be like okay 66:56 Hey, nigga, I'm a... That's legal. 66:59 You can do that. That's not legal. That's not legal to show you. It's not even legal. It's illegal to show. Yeah, you shouldn't show. Because as soon as you show... As soon as you show, you might be prepared. 67:10 I don't believe in... Straps. I don't believe in weapons of any sort. Shut up. I didn't think that about you. No, I don't. I'm a good shot, though. 67:18 Oh You've gone to the range You've gone to the range Yeah I'm not saying you're lying I'm just saying It's on YouTube You know I feel like And I know you niggas So I'ma say it I feel like the reason why You don't believe in that shit Is cause you know You get up to way too much shit to even have it on you. You know that you know how you are, so you avoid those things. 67:37 Not even. Not even. 67:39 No, that's how I feel. No, so my brother, right? 67:41 But my brother, right? My brother, like, he's strapped. Like, he, like, you're about that life. My brother's that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, big guns, small guns, all types of guns. But he has to. He's got a lot of daughters. Right? So, yeah, like, you know, sometimes it's easier to just... 68:00 Instead of talking Yeah 100% That's why sometimes You gotta just be like I don't wanna talk You know So he So for me I don't believe in I don't believe in I don't believe in In guns because I know They go off For me I believe guns are like money When money is there They get spent They go off Guns go off 100% One way or another That gun's gonna go off Yeah 100% What you mean? 68:24 A gun is going to go off It's going to give The energy is there Already It exists It's in the space It's going to go off You might not Pull it out and shoot someone But someone will shoot you Shit There's a risk to that 100% Shit You attract You attract that energy Mmm You attract that energy. 68:41 Luckily, that energy hasn't been attracted to me. And you move different, right? When you're strapped. You move different to how you... 100%. You're poking out your chest thinking like... Nah, but you know me. I don't move like that. Especially... 68:51 Since you got the gun, you've been moving different. Hey, speak on it, man. Speak on that shit. I agree, bro. I've noticed. We went to this... When was that thing? It was the paintball. The paintball. Went to the paintball. That's how you know I'm a good shot, right? So my team... 69:10 Straight off, talking to me. 69:12 He lost to mine, nigga. What are you talking about? No, what are you talking about? 69:15 We wept your asses. 69:16 You lost to my team, nigga. Yeah, we won. I'm on the whole day. You lost to my team. Maybe we got knocked out, but you lost to my team. If he was doing drugs... He wasn't doing drugs. He was sober. 69:24 He had the gun. He had a gun. At the paintball thing. At the paintball thing, he had a gun. He's running with his gun. 69:31 So I'm like, dog... Shit! 69:34 So I'm like, yo, dog... So I'm like, dog, why do you... He's like, yo, you know, parent. I'm like, oh, shout out, shout out. 69:41 Then I said, all right, cool. I tell the homies, I'm like, yo. Homie got to get. You know, T vocals got to get. Strap. 69:47 Let's wash them. 69:49 And crazy enough, crazy enough, Speed Sto was on my team. 69:53 He was. He was that day. He was. 69:58 And we handed their asses Nah I don't agree with that I feel like you watch you niggas We need a rematch with Spice today But I do I do I do hear what you say In terms of like It brings It brings like a certain It brings a certain type of energy But I feel like You know for me I'm willing to be a bitch stop Pause Pause But I'm willing to be a bitch And I feel like when you When you start dealing with guns You have to be willing To be a bitch You have to start that bitch You have to No, you have to be willing to be a bit... 70:31 I hear what you're saying. Let me tell you why I'm saying that. You have to be willing to understand that whoever's trying to do this thing to me, I have more to lose. 70:43 Right? I have more to lose in the sense that the law looks at me as if it's my fault. 70:55 It is. at all times. 70:57 So as soon, like I said, if you flash it, if you flash it, you must be willing to go to jail. If you're protecting yourself and your family and I'm protecting Stilo, whatever, if Stilo's got a bat, if there's a nigga, if there's a nigga swinging at Stilo's head with a bat, right? A bat. And in my head, I'm like, yo, this next swing is going to kill Stilo. Stilo. And I have to do what I have to do. I need to be prepared to sleep in jail until this shit is sorted. 71:27 And then I must also live with the fact that 71:31 they might say, nah, it wasn't worth that. Like, he wasn't going to die on that swing. Now you are going to jail for 20 years for that. So you have to be willing to be a bitch. Yeah, the gun laws are tricky. You have to be willing to be a bitch. 71:45 And also, martial arts are like, if you're trained and you know that you're a black belt, Because your hands are weapons. 71:51 They have to be. If you're formally trained, anything you do is now your weapon. You know, like, but you see there's no law against being smart, so. 72:03 Oh. Yo, listen, talking about your kids, right? Talking about your offspring, man. 72:06 Yeah. And for me, it's like, it's a touchy subject because he's my dog too. Vinny, He's been everywhere this past week. He's been everywhere. Do we have a video to play? We don't have a video to play. The one that Nota was talking about, right? Come on, bro. The one that Nota was talking about. 72:22 You gotta have a video about that. 72:25 Yeah, just check it out. Crazy allegations, allegedly. It's in your prep. It's in your prep. 72:30 You know, for me, it's like, it's so tricky because this girl has been seen throwing hands multiple times, dog. 72:37 Apparently they both threw hands. 72:40 But she's been boxing other people. I haven't seen a video of her boxing Vinny, but there's evidence of her boxing. 72:47 Yeah, I've seen the videos of her boxing other people. You get what I'm saying? You see how tricky that is, right? I think he was just in a very toxic space. 72:57 You mean in his life or that specifically? In his life, in order for him to end up there. But why, Stilo? Like, why? I think your fame is a terrible drug, bro. But it didn't do that. One heck of a drug. Okay, let me not say it didn't do that to us, but I don't feel like we suffered from that drug. 73:17 We've been around so many prominent people. We've done so many things, but I've never seen it change you. 73:24 I've never seen it change me. 73:26 For me, what I always say is that the reason why I've been able to be myself in all these changing weathers is that... 73:35 the one rand value was always estimated at the work that I put in for myself, right? It's never estimated by the people around me, what they give me or, you know, where they take me, you know what I'm saying? So that confuses the value of self. Like there's a lot of artists that I've seen who hang around prominent people and because they now treat it a certain way, they walk in with an escort or they came in in a fancy car. Now they think that that's their life. It keeps you humble, baby. 74:07 They confuse who they are versus who that is. 74:11 That's why I like to keep myself humble, dog. I go places one man, dog. I like to keep it humble. Sometimes you got to get bounced. 74:18 We got a video. Sometimes you got to get bounced. 74:23 Sometimes you got to get bounced. Like, yo, nigga, it's not for you tonight. 74:26 Is that her? 74:27 Peace out again. 74:28 Peace out again. Is that her? 74:30 Apparently, she's the attacker. 74:31 She's the one that... Hey! Royal Rumble Smackdown. And that's a nigga that she hit, bro. And that's a nigga. 74:39 And that's a nigga. 74:40 World star. And there's another video in the club where she's, like, fucking another girl up, dog. Hey, yo, she's the chick in the black. Damn, that's the one they're holding back, right? And she's all about the smoke. We need her on this show, man. 74:52 Damn. 74:54 Nah, we need Vinny. You know what? I DMed Vinny the other day. 74:58 I still haven't had a response from him, but I spoke to him about like a week ago and he said he would come on the show, but this is before any of this shit happened. 75:04 Oh, yeah. 75:05 And how true is it that he got locked up? 75:07 Okay, yeah. So I don't know if it's true yet, but it was reported by Musa Kaula this morning. That he got locked up? Yeah, that he got locked up. Is that a reliable source? Hillbrook Police Station. 75:21 Is Musa a reliable fuck? 75:23 Who knows? 75:24 Musa knows everything. Musa apparently knows everything. 75:27 Like for me, the first thing I'll say is that first and foremost, Vinny hitting her in any shape or form is wrong. And that we don't condone on any level. You know what I'm saying? Because even if she was hitting you, that was supposed to be your moment that you exited. So whoever was around Vinny and advising him to stay or do whatever, You'll file for that. Like, because... Like, anybody can see that this kid is frail as shit. 75:54 Yeah, but you said he was in a situation, right? At that time of his life. 75:58 So maybe he actually needed... Because apparently he moved into this girl's place, right? 76:02 So maybe, like... Yo, what do you do in that situation? We're like, yo... 76:05 I always say this, Doug. You always have to... understand your come up, right? So you can understand how to go back to where you started. Because you're going to have to go back at some point. 76:13 At some point, you got to go back. 76:14 Sometimes you got to go back to the people that gave you that dab. 76:19 Yo, Ish, I'm in a young. 76:22 Can you hold me down real quick? Can you hold me down? Can you hide? Everybody goes through that. 76:29 Self-included. It's life. Life is a stock market. And me... 76:36 Love that, bro. 76:37 It's a stock market. It's like this. The only thing we should have learned from Forex is that this thing is like this. 76:45 Okay, cool. So, no, I just wanted to kind of like ask you a question, right? Especially because you said everybody goes through that, even yourself, right? So when I was doing research, I did find out that in 2017, it was reported that you had an assault charge that was opened against you by your girlfriend. Yeah. Damn. 77:03 Like, so when you're looking at what's happening with Uvini, right, from your experience, right, how do you think he can, like, overcome the situation? First and foremost, he hit that girl. 77:17 How do you know? I mean, there's pictures, right? Really? There's pictures. I saw pictures. Allegedly or... I don't know. Let's say there's pictures that he hit. But if... Whatever the situation was, whether he actually attacked or... According to what we saw, yeah. Whatever the situation is. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, for me, I always say, from my experience, if Vinny, you are seeing this or you ever get to see this, speak for yourself and speak from the heart and say... what really happened from your perspective. 77:48 You get what I'm saying? 77:50 Like from my, from my perspective and my experience, the worst thing that I ever did was that I let everybody speak for me because I was protecting the deals. Right. But the worst, that was the worst thing I could have done because in that situation, first and foremost, I didn't do shit because shorty was on the beach the next day. 78:06 Oh, okay. With no bruises. I'm a big, that guy. 78:10 Yeah. 78:12 You said it, yeah. You get what I'm saying? So, and for me, it's like one of those things that I grew up around abuse. I grew up being abused. I understand the toll that takes on a person. 78:25 Like, I'm healing. 78:27 I'm not healed. I'm not... And you're going to heal for the rest of your life? Yeah, I'm healing. And I'm happy to be healing. The fact that I understand that about myself is a beautiful thing. But that moment set me back because I didn't know how to deal with that because now... 78:42 I'm the monster in the movie. How did you deal with it in that moment? In that moment, all I did was like, I was like, oh, let me speak to all the females I know that can guide me. Sisters, friends. What do we do? They're like, no, let's put out a statement. Let's do this. 78:59 And all of that just backfired because nobody heard me. 79:03 They heard this curated statement. And at the heat of the moment, nobody cares about all of that. Yeah. Nobody cares. What up, JJ? 79:13 Hey. Hey. Nah, for real, dog. 79:19 You know what I'm saying? 79:21 So, like, for me, I always say that the biggest problem, the biggest, my biggest mistake in that particular situation was not Speaking out myself Was not confronting it The way I want to confront it Was see fits for me If it destroys it If it destroys me Let it be for my Let it be for my Let it be for my own doing But if it builds me Let it build me For my own doing But what I did was do the statement thing do the try to oh no it was this but it was and that just like it really messed me up the perception the perception thing really was like yo but back in those days it was really crazy online like they weren't trying to hear shit at least these days it's a bit better where they will read your statement and they'll be like okay let's try and see this other guy's story like what's happening with Vinny I'm seeing a lot of people even who's that guy that talks a lot man 80:16 The guy that lost weight. 80:17 Slick talk. I saw him. That's how you describe it. I saw him, like, last week drop a... 80:22 Sorry, Slick talk. Never been the same for Casper, man. 80:26 I saw him drop a video last week where he was just going in on Vinny, going in on Vinny, right? Then he dropped a video like a couple of days ago saying, you know what? I saw these videos of this honey also being violent. And he's like, yo, I know these type of girls. You know what I mean? And he came back and he was like, yo, I was hard on Vinny last week. 80:47 But let me also be hard on this girl right now. And I appreciate that. I feel like these days, we're a lot more... I'm not going to say tolerant. We're just a little bit more understanding of... 80:58 The conversation is bigger than just a video. Yeah. 81:01 Because a lot of people are looking for clips, the clickbaits, whatever, whatever. It's the era, right? Yeah. 81:07 But the conversation is bigger. And even in the situation of Vinny, it's like, as much as, yes, she's maybe gotten into situations or whatever, he's also wrong. He's also wrong. His contribution. I don't know if he contributed. Yeah, whatever his contribution. 100%. Let me tell you, in every argument, there's always two people. Do you say? As much as I can confront somebody and say, you did this, what did they do? Do you get what I'm saying? It's always give or take situation. So they both wrong and shamboking one person as if it was just their doing is unfair. 81:44 You know? So I think he definitely has to say something properly. Yeah. 81:50 Properly You know Not be bullied by you I don't think he's ever gonna say I don't think he's ever gonna say I don't think he's ever gonna say anything Like the way I know The way I know Vinny Like I feel like He's the type to just like Drop off the face of the earth And come back when he feels like It's good You know what I mean But the problem is with life right It's not always a party bro Yeah 100% dog You know what I mean? 100%. 82:12 Tuesday will come. 82:13 Yeah, 100%. But you know what I think fucked Vinny up, dog? And I'm not proud to say it, dog, because I was part of it. How young he was when he entered our circle. Nah, I don't think so. I'm trying to think... 82:27 If I was that age, dog. 82:29 How old was he? Like 13. 82:30 He was 13, 14. Ricky put him on, right? He was 13. So when I met Vinny, man. It wasn't just Ricky, dog. It was everyone. Like, don't say that like Ricky's the... I'm trying to figure it out. No. Tell me. Ricky's the most famous thing you know. But Cass was there also giving Vinny love. I was there giving... You were there giving Vinny... Everyone was there giving Vinny love. 82:51 Let me tell y'all. Speak the truth. Speak the truth, bro. All these niggas is capping. All these niggas is capping. Yeah, yeah. That's how Vinny gets on. 82:59 I meet Vinny. There's this homie I used to play basketball with, right? Short guy, bald guy. Shout out to that homie. He speaks with a heavy American accent. You know what I'm saying? The real stuff. 83:09 It's like, yo, I got this young kid. Yo, he's a radio presenter. 83:14 I need you to meet him, bro. Hellbro FM. 83:17 Yeah, Hellbro FM. I'm going to bring him out to one of those, I think, what was that show that... 83:25 thingy in them is to make it was one of those yeah like a sneak exchange yeah sneak exchange right so I'm at sneak exchange I'm gonna bring him out to do an interview with you so he does an interview with me when he does an interview with me I'm like yo how you speak how you ask your questions your confidence you listen yeah You smart. Yeah. You got to meet Ricky. 83:51 Oh. You know? And I'm not saying that you got to meet Ricky like Ricky's going to put you on. But we... The connection. We are like-minded people, so I know he's going to enjoy doing an interview with you because... 84:04 unfortunately, when you're scorching, you don't want to do interviews. 84:08 They don't. They don't. They don't. Too fresh. It's also one of those, like, a solid reference is a good reference. You know what I'm saying? And he does the interview with the homie. And unfortunately, at the time, respectfully, there's a lot of people around us, right? Not you. I'm not going to say you. Thank you. But only did things because they saw us do things. Yeah. They never had a good idea of their own. Okay, I get you. Yes man and whatnot. Not even yes man. Not a yes man. People that just... Copy paste? I don't know what they do, but they good at it. 84:40 You know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. So Vinny was one of the... And you can't be mad at them. I can't be mad at them. They good at it. They good at it. This is the Boys and Bucks era. We don't have an era. We are... 84:50 I stand corrected. I love this. No, no, you must remember. Okay. Just so you know, before you use eras again, we are the only crew on this continent that's on the Rolling Stone Most Influential Cruise 100. Sure. Only crew. Sure. High Beast Magazine, Silver Edition, Seal. 85:07 But to give you context, because I see where your brain is trying to go, this is like at the end of... 85:14 them performing together all the time. Like this is at the end. It's nearing the end of Ricky Stilo. 85:21 My looms are staged together. Because it doesn't work now. Yeah, because yeah. So when the kid gets introduced like that, there's a lot of kids that came through in those spaces. A lot of kids that ended up being photographers, road managers. So many of them that are in space. So many. Offspring, yeah. 85:43 Somebody said, I need a cut for me. I know. I said, facts. 85:47 I said, facts. 85:50 Who can? They said, why? I said, I got a lot of kids. Yeah, I got a lot of kids. They're doing a lot of shit for you, Cass. 85:57 You know what I'm saying? Did you ever meet Stana and them? Oh, never mind. Sorry. 86:01 Carry on. Carry on. 86:03 Carry on. 86:04 Carry on. Carry on. 86:06 I was taking a jet. 86:08 Yeah, but it's literally like that. So a lot of, that's how the kid gets into the space. And because he has a hunger for growth, what really blows Vinny up is the beginning of Llanos. 86:21 I see. With the stage. 86:23 Like, because he was doing the party. 86:26 No, no, no, no, no, no. 86:28 Real Llanos. 86:29 Oh, at the... SNK. 86:31 SNK. What's this? Hulumendi. Like, lockdown. That lockdown era. Before Major League catches on to the kid. Oh, and he's shutting down the streets. Okay, I got you. I got you. The kid was huge because he was in the hood. And remember the hood, when they love you, it's real. 86:50 So that's what the... But then he left that energy, started focusing on the bougie side. The North. 86:57 Was Viddy and Alex, no? 86:58 No. 86:59 Where was he? He was in Hillbro. Hillbro. Yeah, I dropped him in Hillbro. Yeah, it's Hillbro. 87:04 Hillbro. Him and YS. Because he was like, YS is like young and for real. That's how Vinny used to pull up. You know? 87:13 Through YS. I mean, damn, dog. 87:16 But like I said from the beginning, I wonder if we also had a part to play in Was it too fast? You know what I mean? Was it too fast? And I love Vinny Down, dog. What an amazing energy. 87:31 Everyone has their issues. I always blame out-of-towners. 87:33 You out-of-towners have this one thing. 87:37 No, out-of-towners have this one thing. At the end of the show, at the end of the night, they go home and they forget. 87:43 Speak on it. Speak on it. Speak on it a bit. 87:45 We can hang and like, oh, we're all homies, we're all homies. Then the night is done. He goes home and he's speaking his situation with his people. 87:54 Or he's in the bed. 87:58 Now he's not your homie anymore. This is the same in music as well. What I was just saying in the acting. No, no, no, no. The difference is that when we see each other, we still pretend. And acting... 88:08 We still pretend. We're good. In music, we're so good. The show goes on. The pretending gets so weird. The guy forgot even what he said the last time. The last time he says it again. The most common thing in music is When are we working? When are we sparring? When are we sparring? Remember when you did that thing? You killed that thing. Then he does it again next week and you're like, fuck up. Then he's like, yo, let me get your number. 88:39 Then you put your number. He's got it. He's got it arranged. 88:42 You got my number, dog. 88:43 It's so similar, nigga. It's so similar. 88:45 But now with acting, the acting stops at Rip Tapit. 88:48 Yeah, yeah, it does. It definitely does. 88:51 Okay, so that's where you win, where we're more crazy. 88:54 That's where you win. Yeah, yeah. 88:56 I think I won a while ago, but anyway. When it comes to music, a lot of cats, it goes back to that thing that I always say, that it's like high school. Some cats are playing characters that they saw in their high school, like, oh, that cool guy was like this. So they're playing that guy, but they're not that guy. So... 89:12 it eventually catches up. Because when they get home, they take off the suit and it's heavy. 89:16 This is a hip-hop thing. Yeah. No, no, no, no. 89:18 It's an artist thing. No, it's an artist thing. 89:20 It's an artist thing. 89:21 You know, Stilo, I want to ask you something. 89:24 I want to give back to the people real quick now. 89:28 Yo, we've been around for a very long time. We've been... Unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, dog. Right? But a lot of people don't stay around as long as we stay around. 89:40 I get where you're going. But that's where it's going, right? 89:45 To... To the new generation, right? To the offsprings that are yet to come. 89:50 Right? 89:51 How would you, if you were to write like a plan and be like, yo, this is how you stay around for a long time. What are the most three important things that you feel like is necessary to build longevity? 90:04 Because you've got your own brand. Let's unpack it, right? You were a stylist at some point. You won a reality show at some point. You were a part of Boys in Box at some point. You were part of, more than that, a DMB band, right? Before all of that shit. So you keep... 90:24 evolving, right? And for me, that's the key, right? But what would you say are the most important things to the generations coming up? Like, yo, if you want to stay around for a long time, you use it to three things. 90:34 And I want to piggyback off that because I'm noticing in hip-hop specifically, there's a lot. Don't piggyback too far, though. Wait, I won't. There's a lot of, right now, people are talking about hip-hop. 90:44 Why don't you do it for him? Why do you like Pinot? 90:46 Pinpointing hip hop. Because I love hip hop. I love pin pop. Yes, I love that thing. I'm also a hip hop artist. I love hip hop. So that's how I know you. The question still stands. The question still stands. He's talking about the longevity. Now I'm adding something to that. I'm saying what I've noticed is a lot of these kids are beefing. A lot of people are beefing. Oh, geez, this piece of thing. I hear you handle it as grown men. Can you also add, and while you're explaining the longevity, how you think they should handle that for the longevity to persist? 91:18 Start with my questions first. 91:19 And then after that, go to his thing, please. So the three things that I think that is important for self is that self-carve is the best. Self-carve. Please speak on that because that could be ego. So speak on that. If that's what works for you, that works for you. There's people who are egotistical, who are considered egotistical, who do well. 91:39 What I will say is If you look in the mirror And you're comfortable You're doing a good job If you look in the mirror And you're comfortable You're doing a good job There's some people There's some people That look at Suzu Loma And think Yeah that guy's egotistical Nah he knows Nah he's doing his thing He's doing his thing And it works for him You know And it's a beautiful thing Like he's a Lamna radio Personality You know what I'm saying Like you know Yeah Like self club's the best club Um Carving the people around you Is so important In what way Because I think that's the most important Like in what way Because some people are not good So yeah So covering the people around you Whether it's like Understanding what they're there for Who are they What are their values What are their core principles Do you get what I'm saying Because we can be homies The three of us go out Yeah Maybe your principle is to have a good time. 92:34 Maybe my principle is... Maybe your principle is to get the babies. Now you're caught up and you took a baby that wants you for 20,000. Now we're in this conversation. It goes back to what you said earlier about how I met you. The core of you as a person. 100%. So it's like... 92:52 Understanding the people around you is so important. That's very crucial. 92:56 And always keeping a steady idea on what you're doing, what you're doing for. There we go. 93:02 So now that's the most important. That's where the evolution comes from. Can you speak on that? Can you add on that? 93:07 What you're doing it for always helps you evolve and grow as an artist. Because some people say, yo, Stilo, you could have been this or done that or done... Yes, I could have, but would it fulfill me? Would it make me happy? Would I sleep okay at night? Like... 93:25 I can be... I'm the first artist to do so many things, but I'm not the first artist... I'm not the same artist that's going to go claim that I did it. But I know I did, right? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if I did... If I did... If I did... If I did, like, Gomway first, and, like, a homie said, yo, you should drop the album. But for me, it was like, that's not who I am. But it's a good joint to make for the moment. You know what I'm saying? Other people... 93:49 would have liquidated that to the fullest. And then when they get stuck, then it's like... Yeah, 100%. It wasn't you in the first place. It wasn't you in the first place. 93:58 And that's why you're stuck now. 93:59 And that's why you're stuck. But how you continue to grow as a person is you don't allow yourself to be caught up with what other people want. True. Yes, take advice. Yes, try things out. But... Always listen to your soul, dog. It will never mislead you. You know when you talk about what other people want for you, right? 94:16 And I've had this thing, right? And I want you to play the video that Nota, when you're speaking about the DJs, right? 94:21 Wait, before you play anything, let them land. 94:24 Who lent? 94:24 I still have a question you need to ask. So before you segue, I just need the... What? The answer to your question? Yeah, the whole beef that's going on now in the industry of hip-hop is back and forth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like for me... I just want to add to that. I saw something recently. 94:40 I'm just giving you context to why I'm asking the question. I saw something beautiful, man. You've seen my money. And Blackie doing a collaborative thing. There's a lot of talk around them beefing and whatnot. So... 94:52 Speak on that In terms of That's different to what we're seeing The other kids doing And they're the first ones I could say The youngins That are doing it like that Like for me What I say is that I think it's dope 95:06 shout outs to them like squashing the beef and like doing their own thing and like representing like Durban because right now like right now Durban doesn't have a really strong movement especially within the hip hop sphere you know what I'm saying it's got a lot of incredible artists who are leading the game, like, you know, Nasty, Blackie, there's a lot of cats, Uzi, but there is no unity. So, therefore, no unity is hard to build. Like, curates a story that people can follow. 95:37 Do you get what I'm saying? To say, oh, this is what Durban is about. Because, you know, when you look at history, like, when you look at, like, Dream Team and what they were doing, there was a story that, yo... 95:47 Dream team, man. 95:48 Boy band. Yeah. Coastal. Cool. Durban. Yeah. 95:55 What about, you know what I'm saying? There's Kuala's though, no? There's Kuala's now. 95:59 That's not Durban. There's a difference. Yeah, that's Kuala's. They're inland guys and that's why Kuala's move. Their energy is very different. And that's why it's more concentrated and more, it leans more to the... Bingha nation. The Bingha nation. 96:13 Man, I have... Dog, I... Fuck, man. Like, yo... 96:18 Why are you crying? Listen, I love both these gents, dog. I love, I love, Blackie, I love you. This is my money. I love you, dog. I love you guys. 96:27 But I disagree with Stilo, dog. Like, I feel like... 96:32 Kenan and Casper did it the best. And they showed what can happen when you curate a beef, right? And you keep it going for as long as... Listen, I feel like once you guys do this feature, I feel like once you do this feature, you guys can never come home. And now what about Kill Brady, dog? Now what about Kill Brady, dog? Now what about the crew, dog? What about the crew, dog? 96:59 What about the crew, nigga? 97:04 Like, this is crazy. Yo, in the famous words of one of the greatest traps, the lord of trapping, the lord of M-Team. My nigga said, I got keys. 97:18 So, niggas got kids. Niggas got mouths to feed. You know what I'm saying? 97:22 Blackies are pops. 97:23 But they could have fed it to the beef. No, no, no. But it doesn't work. You know why? Because the beef only feeds a small crowd. Yeah. The beef only feeds... 97:32 this feeds this. Let me tell you the reality of it. None of these guys are making songs for South Africa. True. You see, that's so different from the reality of what we're speaking of. 97:42 No, no, no. You got a point. This is my point. 97:43 If these guys were making, I must remember when you're talking about Casper, they were making, we're talking about guys that were making songs for the dust. 97:52 For the dust. You're right. 97:54 You're right. You're right. So these guys are still not, haven't gotten to a point where they're like, yo, I need to, in this thing that I do, I still need to make a song that connects to some random person in Huffington. So it makes sense to them. 98:08 That's why for me, it actually makes sense to them. 98:10 Yeah, exactly. That's when they'll actually quantify and say, I'm beefing. 98:15 Yeah, okay. Now I hear you. Okay, no, you got a good point. I'm beefing. Right now I'm beefing for what? What's the point of it? Can we read our last question? Do you have a question? I don't think I've read this one. 98:27 You were saying something about the Nauta thing. I thought they were going to that next. Oh, shit. Let's watch this. 98:31 ADHD. Yeah, come on. I'm everywhere. 98:36 Bookings were going to all the DJs. The DJs became the superstars in South African music. And that's what's destroying the future of South African music. We cannot have an industry, a music industry, that is led by DJs. DJs are supposed to be promoters of the music, not creators of the music. But quite the artist stopped getting bookings. The bookings were going to all the DJs. The DJs became the superstars in South African music. Okay. 98:58 Okay, hey man. Love and hate. I'll have a shot for that. 99:02 I'll have a shot for that. And I'll take a shot with you. Because this counter's a bit on the floor. I do agree with Nota, but I feel like there's a silver lining. 99:13 There isn't. Because I never want to tell someone that you can't create music. No, no, that's nonsense. So if a DJ wants to create music. No, no, no, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. There's a difference between creating music and buying music. True. True. Facts. 99:30 Facts. Facts. For me, who doesn't understand, I'm an actor. So what are y'all talking about? 99:35 So let me tell you, I have no problem with, we have the highest level of DJing in the world. When I'm talking about playing, selecting. The world. The world. Like, South African DJs are the best. One of the best DJs comes from the Val. You know what I'm saying? He's one of the best DJs to ever come out of this country. I've seen that guy just play with like, the effects with no music. I swear to God. 100:06 That's mad, bro. 100:07 Wallahi. Just like, I swear to God. 100:09 That's mad. That guy's a genius. No, shout out to Toy. That's my boy, man. But his ego's bigger than a lot. That's what, you know. Superstars, that's the shit they're talking about. You know what I'm saying? But the problem is in South Africa, The reason, I'm so glad, like, my music career, like, started the way it started because I understood a lot more things. There was a movie I watched called Garage Band, right? And Garage Band talks about the... No, no, no, no, no. The movie? The movie. There's a movie called Garage Band. Okay. Is Garage Band or Garage? 100:40 Garage Band or Garage Days? Just one of the two. But the movie is about how the DJ was taking over the music scene in the UK. MTV was coming into the space. Oh, okay, yeah. And the bands were becoming like, nobody wants to book the bands anymore, right? 100:56 It's a dilemma, yeah. 100:57 one of the biggest problems we have in our country, right, and this was happening especially during the hip-hop era, is that the DJ was getting more popular than the artist. The unfortunate thing with the DJ is that the DJ got confused and started thinking he's the artist, right? That's why right now, why DJ Khaled is in the position he's in, it's because none of the artists want to make music with him. Because you're making music with my ops. You know what I'm saying? So respectfully, even when I talk about When I talk about Lesejo. 101:29 Lesejo, as much as you've done so many great things in your life, you owe it all to the artists that have come together to give you the things you have. The plaques you have are not yours. They're not yours alone. No, not yours alone. No, they're not yours because you didn't actually make the stuff, right? They're yours because you bought them. But what about curation? It doesn't curation... Bro, cute. You see, the thing is about curation, selecting a squad doesn't mean you curated the play. 102:00 When you come up with a song, you know how hard it is to come up with a song. You know. Do you get what I'm saying? You didn't help me write a single lick, bro. Sure. 102:09 And not to say that your contribution doesn't matter. Your contribution matters. I mean, you brought us together. Yes, but do not take the efforts of the artists lightly. Just because you earn and eat off the thing, that's what happened in South Africa. DJs become the superstars and the artists are starving. Yeah. It happened. The only difference with hip-hop is that cats had big egos and cats could fight for their position and do their thing, right? In piano, a lot of kids are starving because of this shit. Because a lot of cats can't fight. 102:39 I didn't even think about piano. You're right. You get what I'm saying? A lot of kids are starving. 102:43 I was thinking hip-hop. You're right. 102:47 Have you seen how piano DJs are dripping? Dripping. 102:50 But you don't hear a single one of them sing a single lyric. And by the way, you guys get it from us hip-hop niggas. You get it? 102:56 You know, but we get it. It's what it is. You guys took our culture. 102:59 It's the blueprint, nigga. Amiri jeans and all this shit, nigga. Come on. I don't argue with my kids. 103:06 You understand? It's not an argument. 103:08 I'm telling you. 103:10 I'm telling you, you know? It's the uncle that will... 103:12 I'm telling your ass. I'm not saying that. 103:14 The question would then be, why would I need to pay for you? You're going to come and sing your catalog. When I can get a DJ, you can play your song, your song. Exactly. 103:24 Being a businessman now, unfortunately. Not even that. You know what the biggest problem is? It always goes back down. It even goes back down to even promoters have a problem. The fact that you can get like... 103:34 10 of the biggest artists in the country for 100 rand at the door diminishes the value of me even having to host a show. 103:40 But that's South Out, dawg. 103:41 No, but it's not even South Out. You know why? Because the reason when we're doing the band stuff and even when you have artists like... All these hip-hop artists that are doing Afrikaans hip-hop, right? They do venues. 103:53 They do, yeah. 103:54 Because they're not in the commercial space that we think, oh, it's more numbers, more familiar face, whatever, whatever. But the problem is... 104:02 the economy of the music is diminished by how it's treated. Just because 150 does not quantify to have from Uncle Waffles to many more. Is that Zone 6? Is that Zone 6 shit? 104:15 Zone 6 fucked us up. 104:17 But before we end there, we've got the segment where we basically tell the people what our smoke for the week is, right? It could be good. It could be positive. It could be negative. It could be something that irritated you when you woke up this morning. 104:30 Yeah. 104:31 Do you have one? Do you want to go first or do you want B to go first? B to go first. I have one. And it's already smoked. 104:38 And this is so red and he goes first. 104:40 Yeah, yeah. 104:42 What you call him, Lesero? 104:43 Yeah, Lesero. That's his name. What you call him, that's his name. I don't call him Lesero. Speedster. So I went to studio. I came to Joburg to rap. I came to rap to do music. 104:54 Oh, you saw that? That's how we met. That's how we met, but you forgot it. You know, I was telling Gemini the story, and he's like, BU. And I'm like, yo, go check BU's Instagram. And he's like, oh, this nigga. Anyway, yeah. 105:06 Shout out, Jim and I. Yeah, so my experience was, I'm like, I got hit up by Ooh Speedster after the Big Brother house. 105:18 Okay. 105:18 Right? And you could hear that there's a little bit of a lyrical miracle thing going on there. You know, there's some bars there, you know? So we talked and we went to the studio with, who's this, Jones Jr.? 105:30 Flo Jones Jr. Oh, Flo Jones, yeah. Yeah, we went to the studio and, you know, we get in there. Homeboy's like, yo, you know what? After this, I just have a whole rollout. This is beats to speak. I have a whole rollout, how I'm going to do it and whatnot. So I'm like, tapped in. I'm like, I'm just going to be my hottest verse ever. And till this day, I think that's one of my dopest verses ever, right? Cool. So we record this thing from Hunsdale. He didn't drop it. He didn't drop it. We recorded this. We recorded this. I get that. I'm thinking he's making the beat. Nah, he's not making a beat. He's chilling there. He's like, are you guys nice? You need KFC? 106:01 You need drinks? You know? 106:03 My experience, I thought it would be completely different. So my smoke is not the experience. My smoke is the fact that that song is still not out, bro. I feel you. But that's an artist thing. I hate that. 106:16 But you must also, I don't know. It's not an artist thing. Remember that when it comes to him, it has to do with a budget thing. 106:25 No, respectfully. No, no, no. It's business, right? And I'm talking as a businessman. As a businessman, he maybe looked at the song and said, if I invest in this, how does it look for me right now? Is it a good investment? Is it a bad investment? Remember... As an artist, I can make a song and drop it because I'm an artist. But if I'm buying these songs or whatever they call it, right? Acquiring. Attaining. You know what I'm saying? 106:57 It's a gamble. The return on that. Yeah, they have to try to see what works, what doesn't work. 107:02 But you can never know in music. 107:03 But that's the thing. When you're not an artist, you can't feel it. 107:06 Oh. 107:08 Back to that playground. You have to make it the feeling. The school ground thing. Before we go too far, do you have any smoke this week? 107:14 My smoke this week is that... Yeah, I think... I'll take it off the piggyback of that Nota clip. It's like, my smoke this week is that, yo, man, can we get artists back on stages? You know? It doesn't make sense to just... 107:29 let the DJs play the music without the artists. All artists. 107:33 It doesn't just have to be hip-hop. I agree. 107:35 All artists. I 100% agree. 107:38 And that's going to be my smoke, but with a different angle where it's like, guys, let's figure it out. 107:44 And also, why didn't you book me for your birthday? That's a good question. Okay, so I'm doing... Thank you, Stilo. 107:50 Thank you, Stilo. Let's talk about it. Because on the 3rd of October, I'm doing a party at Propaganda, the Spring Band, presented by a boy. 108:00 Stilo, can I have you on stage? I only hooped you. 108:02 Can I have you on stage? 108:03 I'll send you the invoice. 108:04 Send me the invoice. That's my... I guess that's what it is. 108:08 What is it? 3rd of October. It's after payday, guys. Come on. Let me perform the song with Speedster that I got. That's on you and your boy. That's on you and your fucking boy. 108:17 But 3rd of October. Propaganda. I'm going to release the tickets. You're going to see this on Friday. So I'm going to release the tickets maybe a week from now. I'll let you guys know. But yeah, you'll see Stilo there in the crowd. You'll see B.O. because B.O. missed my last party. I'll be there. I'll be performing on stage. You know what I mean? And yeah, that's another episode of All The Smoke. We'll see you guys back here next time. We love you, baby. Thank you, baby. Shout out Shamiso, man. I appreciate it. Shout out Shamiso. That's wild. 108:46 Shout out Shamiso, man. 108:48 Is she the one texting you? 108:50 I don't know. Shout out Shamiso, man.